YouTube: farfalle western, posted Oct 1, 2020
Who Killed George Floyd?
By Don Brown, September 18, 2020
payz hayz
1 week ago
The most bizarre thing is, accusations of brutality aside, there was clearly nothing racial about this. There was even a similar case with a white person just a few years back. This incident that set off so much racial chaos had no evidence at all pointing to it being because of race.
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ConManliness
1 week ago
Seriously.
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Anthony L
1 week ago
Some might argue that no one calls the police on a white person who tries to pass fake bills, and I would tend to agree. And some would argue that police would have given a warning to a white guy, but see it as "very serious" when the suspect is Black
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ConManliness
1 week ago
@Anthony L Assuming that "black people" are more likely to experience heavier scrutiny from authority, what are some of the reasons that might be? A) it could be that the police are prejudiced against them because of their race. How likely is this? What does a police officer have to personally gain from scrutinizing a "black" person more heavily than they would a "white" person? What is the likelihood that one is going to go through the process of becoming an agent of law enforcement just to risk throwing it away by racist action?
B) the areas populated by a majority of those of different races/ethnicities tend to have different degrees of crime, due to differences in economic status, values, opportunities, etc. Naturally, people living in these areas are going to be under heavier scrutiny than their corresponding differently-populated communities. What communities have the most crime? Majority-African ones, obviously. How are we to say to what degree the police's over-action in these areas are borne of racial bigotry and to what degree they're due to the rate of crime/proportional level of threat?
Of course, the reasonable assumption is that both of these factors have a role in issues of police brutality/prejudice. But which do you think is more likely/relevant on a trend level?
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Anthony L
1 week ago
@ConManliness A) It could be that prejudice in training and police culture, along with the drive to fit in with colleagues and peers, influence police officers to match previous ongoing culture, leading to a continuous cycle of internally repeated prejudices (some obvious and some subtle). And the "why would they ever do that when they have so much to lose" defense falls way short, because people get involved in all sorts of things that bring their lives down around them, despite so many potential reasons to stay within the rules.
B) A lot of this comes down to the historical legacy of anti-Black racism and default/implicit anti-Black bias in the last 60 years or so, really back farther, when it comes to housing, real estate, and banking. These among other things have led to segregated city areas, where non-Blacks receive less resistance to being incorporated into areas of cities with less crime.
Take a look at these links and tell me what you think. I know it's a tough subject with few obvious answers. I am just very hesitant to absolve policing of being a major component. Policing philosophy, not most actual officers.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-25/beyond-broken-windows-what-really-drives-urban-crime
https://harvardlawreview.org/2016/03/better-policing-can-improve-legitimacy-and-reduce-mass-incarceration/
https://www.huduser.gov/portal/periodicals/em/summer16/highlight2.html
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payz hayz
1 week ago
@Anthony L plenty of cases of white people getting arrested for fake bills have happened, and what do you mean by warning? They were trying to put Floyd in the vehicle but he refused and demanded to lie down.
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Geralt
1 week ago (edited)
man I have been saying this since it happened! please show me where race is a factor
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John Ludwig
6 days ago (edited)
This is explained by the fact that the media is anti-White. They will use any story they can to fuel the narrative that White people are evil oppressors, and any White person who stands up for his/herself and our people is a "white supremacist". Until we defend ourselves as a race, it is going to continue to get worse and worse. Whites are already a minority of births in the US. We will not be treated well as as a hated minority, which is why we need to stand up for ourselves now.
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ShadowOfDeth
6 days ago
@Anthony L Nice hypothetical,mate. Shame it's bullshit and white people breaking the law absolutely do get the police called on them and they do indeed get arrested. Not everything is a racist conspiracy.
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JayJay Hurlzzz
4 days ago
I love the bit where Officer Lane is asked to give CPR, says "Allright" and then has second thoughts when it comes to mouth-to-mouth. "You want me doing just compressions?"
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Bill the Cat
Bill the Cat
4 days ago
@Anthony L - That's total BS. White male, Tony Timpa called 911 for help in 2016 and police handcuffed him, placed him face down in the ground, and put their knee on his back for 14 minutes and killed him. Police laughed and joked while Tony struggled and died from their knee compression. Tony didn't commit a crime and he wasn't high on drugs like George Floyd, he was just off his medications. For every unarmed black man killed by police, there are 2 to 3 white men killed the exact same way, but the media ignores their stories. Nobody care about white men killed by police, only black men.
Stop posting ignorant comments like this on social media. Educate yourself.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/
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Bill the Cat
Bill the Cat
4 days ago (edited)
@Anthony L - Look at you with your anti-racism BS. Do you know about police killing of unarmed white male, Daniel Shaver in the hallway of a motel room in Mesa, AZ a few years ago, pleading with police to not shoot him? He was crawling on his belly toward police when he pants fell down and when he reach down to pull them up the police unloaded their guns on him. Why don't you know about Tony Timpa or Daniel Shaver? BLM protests police brutality against blacks while ignoring instances of it happening to whites, Hispanics, or Asians. Anti-racists like you and BLM only care about blacks and no one else. You are such racists.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa-breaking/2017/12/07/philip-brailsford-verdict-daniel-shaver-killing/927052001/
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Bill the Cat
Bill the Cat
4 days ago
@Anthony L - Do you know about the killing of white male Duncan Lemp in a no-knock warrant by police in March 2020? The police shot and killed Duncan, who was a software developer, through the bedroom window and managed to shoot his pregnant girlfriend, too. Everyone knows the name of Breona Taylor, but nobody has heard of Duncan Lemp, why is that? Could it be the media only care about black men killed by police and chooses to ignore white men? Dead white men don't matter in our country, only black men.
Go ahead, say his name, DUNCAN LEMP!
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/police-shooting/
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Bill the Cat
Bill the Cat
4 days ago
@Anthony L - Have you heard of white, male Zachary Hammond who was unarmed and shot in the chest by police while sitting in his car in 2015? He was on a first date with a girl when police approached the car and gunned him down. The Seneca police officer in SC lied about the shooting and his family have not gotten justice for him.
Why don’t you know his name? He's too white for anyone to care about his life.
https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zachary-hammond-police-shooting-20150804-htmlstory.html
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Bill the Cat
Bill the Cat
4 days ago
@Anthony L - Have you heard of James Whitaker getting shot in the back twice by Phoenix police while kneeling on the ground? His family and friends have demanded justice, but his death is ignored by national media because he is white, not a privileged black man like Jacob Blake.
Let me know if you need more examples of white men getting killed by police. I have a lot more to send to you.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/ryan-whitaker/
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Bill the Cat
Bill the Cat
4 days ago
@Anthony L - Black Harvard professor Roland Fryer disproved your police bias in shootings of black people years ago in his well documented study.
"The paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, which examined thousands of incidents at 10 large police departments in California, Florida and Texas, concluded that police were no more likely to shoot non-whites than whites after factoring in extenuating circumstances.
“On the most extreme use of force — officer-involved shootings — we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account,” said Harvard economics professor Roland G. Fryer Jr. in the abstract of the July 2016 paper.
Mr. Fryer, who is black, told The New York Times that the finding of no racial discrimination in police shootings was “the most surprising result of my career.”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/no-racial-bias-police-shootings-study-harvard-prof/
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john lucier
john lucier
3 days ago
Your argument really has little to do with this case.
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payz hayz
payz hayz
3 days ago
@john lucier what?
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Bill the Cat
2 days ago
@john lucier - What are you talking about?
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LTCJWE
5 days ago
Another case where MSmedia lied, distorted facts & misinformed the public regarding police apprehending/resisting arrest case. We’ve seen this trend with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown (Hands Up Don’t Shoot), Freddy Gray, Rayshard Brooks (Atlanta), Jacob Blake (Kenosha WI), & w George Floyd.
US MSmedia (esp CNN, MSDNC) literally misrepresents facts, whips certain groups into a frenzy & never retracts their false stories & watches incredible destructive riots break out. Its all about feeding a narrative that police are hunting black men & must be defunded or “reimagined” which is another step in the Progressive Democrat movement toward a socialist dystopia ergo Portland, Ca, NY. The Police are #1 on Leftist agenda to be taken out. In this case MN Far Left, Progressive Dem, Atty General Keith Ellison, is coming after Police.
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John Shaft
John Shaft
3 days ago
I agree. Much of our major media should be prosecuted for treason. Who can deny that their lies are damaging the nation?
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MightyMoonWorm24
3 days ago
It's all so tiresome.
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Robert Lannon
Robert Lannon
2 days ago
I think there maybe some negligence on failure to give aid. But he asked if he should ride in the ambulance, and I'm sure that's not a pleasant ride. I will assume like most video productions the video and timeline has been edited and that they watched the totality of the content and pared it down from there, it would include all the officers comments and actions real time. This is not the court video content. That's why I would like to see that break down. The drugs found in his system at autopsy along with fluid in the lungs does create a reasonable doubt along with his actions on camera also supporting the fact he was acting incoherently and agitated. I think part of the problem with the public reaction is that the officers seem so callous, in actuality this excited delirium is pretty prevalent across the country with increased drug us and any seemed callousness by the officers is probably because they have seen it before. However your conspiracy theory and I have read several others similar that some how multiple people coordinated to induce drugs into his system post mortem as a cover cover up is beyond a reasonable doubt and takes a lot of imagination..
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John Shaft
John Shaft
2 days ago
@Robert Lannon Street cops appear callous because they usually kind of are callous. How can they not be? Seeing all the crap they see every shift, if they didn't grow a bit numb to it they would lose their minds.
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Robert Lannon
Robert Lannon
2 days ago
Sorry my comment was supposed to go above. Totally agree with you that all these cases have been overturned in a court of law opposite of public opinion. Crump, Blm and others that inflame the communities before these things get a minute to go through the process should be held responsible. It would be nice if they fast tracked them though. These cases should go quickly up due process. I'm not saying rush them. But obviously make sure they are prioritized in the court dockets and handling so it doesn't take 3 years to settle. Its not fair to the officers accused or the family of the victims.
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Ric Allen
Ric Allen
12 hours ago (edited)
So the people on the sidewalk can tell he’s unresponsive and dying, but the cops can’t?
Drugs or not, that’s unprofessional and excessive
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Andy Smithson
Andy Smithson
9 hours ago (edited)
Once he was on the ground and was under control, the cops did call an ambulance, code 2. And as his condition worsened, in a matter of minutes they raised that ambulance call to code 3. So they were aware and made the effort, contrary to what you write. ? How were they to know that he had overdosed on fentanyl and his lungs were so full of fluid that they couldn't absorb oxygen? They're not doctors. They had the misfortune of having to deal with a criminal who was in the process of killing himself. And there wasn't enough time to save him. The officers did all they could be expected to do. Regarding the people on the sidewalk, they were part of the problem. The officers had to pay close attention to them because they were hostile, and they were a distraction for the officers. Officers always have to be carefully aware of citizens who interfere because they never know when one of them is armed and has evil intentions. As we've seen lately, killers appear out of nowhere to kill police officers.
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ssoldie
3 days ago (edited)
No! because it was a narrative fueled by the Governor of Minnesota Tim Walz and /Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey /Attorney General Antifa Keith Ellison
and the whole City Clowncil of the5th district. Charges against these officers are not appropriate and need to be dismissed.
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Anthony L
Anthony L
1 week ago
It is always a mistake to pre-judge a situation. It appears he died from fentanyl toxicity. And you thought the 1992 LA Riots were big...
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the great A.M
the great A.M
3 days ago
The prosecution sat on this info because Chucky Schumer called them and instructed them to remain silent as this was a great political opportunity to pin this to Trump.
End of story.
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Y Tehrani
Y Tehrani
1 week ago
Well done mate. You got Glenn Loury to link to this video. Thanks for your work!
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skoto
skoto
1 week ago
And Coleman Hughes just retweeted Glenn’s link. Hopefully this gets the exposure it deserves
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Andy Smithson
Andy Smithson
1 week ago (edited)
"Why did the prosecutors keep the toxicology information to themselves and not share it with the public for three months?" Answer: Because they had made a terrible mistake in charging the officers, and were at least partly responsible for the chaos that resulted across the country and they didn't have the fortitude to admit their mistake. "Why are these police officers still being held and prosecuted?" Answer: Because the prosecutors will not admit their mistake. If they did, certainly there would be an investigation into their actions and possibly severe discipline for them. Plus, if the admitted they improperly charged the officers, they would implicitly be admitting they are partly responsible for the rampage that has done serious damage to our country. So instead, they soldier on. unjustly prosecuting officers officers who did nothing wrong.
This case was handled inappropriately imo. The normal way to handle a case like this is to suspend the officers or assign them desk duty, conduct an investigation gathering all the information, and then make a decision on discipline and/or criminal charges. In this case. the MPD and the prosecutor, under the pressure of mob violence and intimidation, made hasty and ill-considered judgments without knowing all the facts and reached the wrong conclusion. It sure looks like a case of malpractice.
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Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
1 week ago
No. They kept the tox reports secret because Ellison wanted the rage and riots to grow. If Ellisons loses in court more riots. If Ellison wins in court and the officers aren't given life in prison or executed - more riots. It's a Win Win for Keith Ellison and democrats either way... Or at least their American hating party leadership like Ellison, Kamala, Sanders, Sandy Occasio and the rest want the country to burn until they have total control
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The Fat Theist
The Fat Theist
1 week ago
@Proud Kafir You nailed it. This is the same reason why it took so long for the body cam footage to get out. In the end it had to be leaked to and published by a foreign journalist.
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Light Up Fun
Light Up Fun
6 days ago
You are correct. I think they WANTED a race riot. Something to blame on Trump.
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Staff Reporter
Staff Reporter
5 days ago
The final autopsy results were released to the public on June 5, 2020. However, the media distracted and social media censored anyone providing the truth found in the final autopsy. See the above, because I don't believe this documentary goes far enough and leaves out all the medical intervention at the hospital, which no one would ever do on a corpse.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/05/read-george-floyd-autopsy-report-with-cause-of-death-and-other-factors/
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Name: Troy adams
Message: I'm sorry but it wasn't 7minutes that the police officer had his knee on his neck, if the man wouldn't have been on drugs and wouldn't have freaked out and would have stayed in the car he would be alive today. This was not excessive force by the police.
Name: Darlene Cantagallo
Message: Corrupt Media is all I can say. Media caused this despicable reaction by rioters
Name: Jim Rheem
Message: The Pice officers are not guilty. George Floyd died from Fentanol of per coroner. Why was the I formTion of pd not put forward? Who is responsible for withholding truth and facts?
Name: Darrell Strawn
Message: The mayor and State AG knew there was no crime committed by the police and withheld all video evidence that proved it. What the AG and Mayor did is criminal and led to deaths and destruction of property.
Name: Toni L Mossop
Message: The video was very informative but I still believe there was unnecessary use of force. The fact he said he was claustrophobic should have made the officers think about the size of the vehicle (how small it was in the back especially since he is handcuffed he felt even more confined). The officer also cursed at him and seemed to be hostile even when Floyd was trying to explain to him how he was afraid and did not want to get shot. It was definitely obvious that he was suffering from PTSD. His strange mannerism most definitely could have been from his fear of the police and possibly being harmed. Most people do not react calmly in this sort of situation.
Name: Jim Rheem
Message: The Pice officers are not guilty. George Floyd died from Fentanol of per coroner. Why was the I formTion of pd not put forward? Who is responsible for withholding truth and facts?
Darrell Strawn
Message: The mayor and State AG knew there was no crime committed by the police and withheld all video evidence that proved it. What the AG and Mayor did is criminal and led to deaths and destruction of property.
Name: Hudojni4ka
Message: This is a great documentary and shows that this whole thing was turned into an agenda for the left from the very beginning. So many people suffered, so many people died during the riots, business destroyed. So sad that people get manipulated so easily into thinking the police are killing black people left and right. This whole country went crazy because of this.
Name: Jim R
Message: The fentanyl suppressed his breathing. As the oxygen levels in his blood dropped he behaved in an increasingly agitated, aggressive and confused manner. His oxygen levels in his blood were probably in at least the low 90s and dropping fast. This could account for the aggressive behavior. Did he ever disclose to the officers that he was taking opiates in the video? I wonder if opiate antidotes could have saved him.
Name: MathGuy
Message: All you have to do is place the facts over your emotions and everything becomes clear. The police were the only ones trying to save George Floyd. Even his sister ran away and abandoned him. The police even braved the possibility of contracting Covid from him spewing covid laden saliva. I would have stayed away. They should be receiving awards instead of receiving charges. The facts are there and it's just another street overdose. But the media decided to spin it another way and we good taxpayers are carrying that financial burden of all that unnecessary violence.. What a shame. I read that Ben Crump, the family's attorney, saw this documentary and bellowed "it's clear that he was killed by excessive racism." What is wrong with this world?? Everyone has some stupid narrative.
Name: Yaakov Levy
Message: I realize this man is a veteran pro. However, the crucial point was not addressed sufficiently! It's understood that Floyd was on the way to dying that day due to OD/health conditions. But the video shows him dying under the knee of Chauvin. The video says that Chauvin did not apply severe pressure because he raised it a couple times when Floyd raised his head. How can you prove this? You can't prove or indicate what kind of pressure was on his neck. On the contrary, it appears that there is notable pressure on his neck. Now, in talking with police, I understand that the knee-neck tactic allows breathing because it's only one side and not on windpipe. However, an this is crucial: the video shows Floyd dying under his knee. It is perfectly clear. It is counterindicatory to pose that the knee did not expedite his death. Also, the narrator does not acknowledge how they tried to shove him in the car. For me, my question is this: How do you prove to the general public that the knee-neck did not contribute to or expedite his death? I don't see any way to do that.
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Nicholas Stix • 17 hours ago
It’s a terrifying situation for a cop to deal with.
You’ve got a subject who is 6’4,” 223 lbs., obviously strung out on drugs (he eventually confessed
to having been “hooping”), and apparently an Emotionally Disturbed Person (EDP).
The subject is physically capable of disarming a policeman, and killing all of the officers at the crime scene, which has been known to happen in cases where officers used insufficient force. (Never mind that, as George Parry points out, the cops don’t even know if the subject is armed.)
Meanwhile, you have civilians who are interfering with, and distracting you from doing your job, who act as if the perp were the victim, and as if you were the perp.
You’re using the techniques you were taught at the academy to use in such a situation, trying to stay alive and keep your job and your liberty, while being increasingly aware that guilty bystanders and the evil media stand ready to make this guy the next Rodney King, another perp who was turned into a vic, and who served to railroad two innocent, White cops.
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Callmelennie Nicholas Stix • 4 hours ago
Dont know if he was fundamentally EDP, but the prospect of going back to prison, combined with a bizarre sense that you are somehow drowning would set anyone off
You can tell he's terrified of returning to prison when he repeatedly pleads "I'm not that guy." What guy? The guy who committed the armed robbery years before that the LEOs would have discovered
And I see that struggle to stay out of the vehicle as his last ditch attempt to avoid prison. In his mind if they get him in the car and to the station, thats the irrevocable step back to prison
And wouldnt flip out about asense of drowning coupled with crushing chest psins
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Nicholas Stix • 17 hours ago
As for George Parry’s mention of the prosecutor sitting on exculpatory evidence for almost three months, said evidence is legally known as “Brady material.” As per the Supreme Court, it is unconstitutional for the prosecution to fail to turn over all Brady material to the defense.
Why would “the prosecutor” suppress evidence he is legally obligated to release? The prosecutor in question is black supremacist Keith Ellison, a member of the murder cult, the Nation of Islam, which has slaughtered over 90 Whites, and maimed numerous other Whites.
In a sane world, Ellison’s membership in the NOI would preclude his being permitted to practice law, let alone serve as Minnesota’s attorney general.
https://thezebraproject.blo...
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LostHearts Nicholas Stix • 4 hours ago
The Zebra Killings are ignored right down to the present day. Thanks for the list of victims; I had no idea there were so many.
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Distressed Irene • 18 hours ago
When I read the autopsy of George Floyd and the kind of drugs that were in his system, I knew he didn't die because of Chauvin. This same kind of thing happened to a guy arrested in Staten Island several years back who so wildly resisted arrest that there were about five NYPD cops trying to restrain him. He died of a heart attack and the police were blamed, naturally.
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No Bread or Circuses Distressed Irene • 17 hours ago
But, but, but Black Lies Matter!
Enough of the nonsense, equality not special privilege for failure!
Affirmative Action was supposed to be "reparation" all it did was destroy the black family group.
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atilla41 No Bread or Circuses • 5 hours ago
"Affirmative Action was supposed to be "reparation"................."
And instead it turned State and Federal governments into day care centers for sub-65 IQ primates that effed over the taxpayers ,who are always royally screwed anyway when having to deal with any bureaucracy, and also pay for the " privilege."
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JayWye Distressed Irene • 10 hours ago
Obese Eric Garner,selling "onesies" on the sidewalk in front of a store?
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John Dub JayWye • 5 hours ago
Arrested because Obama signed a law against it.
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JayWye John Dub • 3 hours ago
it was a NY City law. Comrade Obama had nothing to do with that.
NY and especially NYC have very strict tobacco sales laws,because they need the tax revenue so badly.
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John charlton • 10 hours ago
The police officers are VICTIMS of a political crime by the Hennepin County prosecutors. The PROSECUTORS should be on trial for inciting rioting.
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John • 10 hours ago
When will the world understand that BLM has nothing to do with Race. BLM means communism.
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Dustoff John • 6 hours ago
And they don't give a flying FLIP about other blacks.
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LostHearts Dustoff • 5 hours ago
Looks like most of their followers in these "protests" are naive, young white people. Regurgitated hippies.
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John Dub LostHearts • 5 hours ago
College Communists.
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LostHearts John Dub • 4 hours ago
Yup.
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justthefactsmam John • 9 hours ago
Excellent point, and thank you for making sure that BLM was defined properly.
BLM is what the Soviets were trying to get MLK Jr to do in the 60s, which he would not do, so they killed him.
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Greebo justthefactsmam • 5 hours ago
Exactly the reason he was murdered! The others, however, went along with destroying the US and are supported by communist operators and their agents.
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John Dub John • 5 hours ago
BLM is a tool. The blacks themselves are being used to ferment revolution, and should the revolution succeed, they will be cast aside or gulag'd.
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NAHALKIDES John • 3 hours ago
Well, it does have one thing to do with race: its leaders are anti-white racists (as well as being Marxists).
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Jason P • 12 hours ago
Excellent summary of the facts--all the facts. I remember when the toxicology report came out in early June. I cautioned people to avoid jumping to conclusions. Videos taken out of context can be deceptive.
Look at the analysis on Court TV after the above information was released: https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Notice the reaction of the black attorney: "this is a game changer." Yet the info isn't discussed by the MSM.
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kilfincelt • 7 hours ago
Right after this incident happened, Sharyl Attkisson had the both the first video of the incident showing the policeman with his knee on Floyd's neck, which was on the news all over the country, and a second video showing the police trying to get him into the squad car. That second video included the part where a standing Floyd said he was claustrophobic and couldn't breathe. When I went to make a comment on another article about the incident, I was going to include info from the second video but found that the link no longer worked. I can only conclude that the media blocked the second video to create a false narrative.
Everyone needs to see this video because unless the prosecuting attorneys are completely corrupt, which is a possibility, these policemen should immediately be returned to duty and the media called out for their corruption. Antifa and BLM need to be brought to justice for their destruction and treason.
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NAHALKIDES kilfincelt • 3 hours ago
The Minnesota AG is Keith Ellison, who is as morally and intellectually corrupt as a politician could be. That's why the case against the officers is going forward when no fair-minded jury would convict them.
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JayWye • 10 hours ago
George Floyd was not murdered,he killed himself.
He killed himself when he took fentanyl,which shuts down breathing,and meth,which overstresses the heart,while having coronary disease,and then put himself into a lot of stress by getting arrested for passing counterfeit money,a Federal crime. He was likely already dying when he was peacefully placed in the police cruiser after being handcuffed,and he was complaining of breathing difficulty while in the cruiser. Just before he panicked and thrust himself out of the cruiser,dropping onto the ground (a drop of a couple feet onto pavement),where the officer pinned him down. He died of a heart attack,not asphyxiation,his breathing was never cut off.
Caused by his taking fentanyl and meth,while having coronary disease.
Floyd died of a heart attack caused by pulmonary edema,per the coroner's report The fentanyl he took was hindering (shutting down?) his breathing,same as it did for anyone who OD'd on fentanyl. Then the METH he took made his heart go berserk,which is why meth is called "speed",it put a terrible strain on Floyd's heart. Which was already compromised by coronary disease,and his breathing possibly compromised by Wuhan flu. Then add in the stress of being arrested,and a likely panic attack.
It's no wonder that Floyd's heart vaporlocked.
Floyd was likely "circling the drain",already in the process of dying before he thrust himself out of the cruiser while handcuffed.
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LostHearts JayWye • 5 hours ago
Looks like Floyd didn't want to go back to prison for violating his probation. Well, he got his wish.
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Carolyn • 8 hours ago
I'm so sick of drug addicts and criminals putting all of our lives in danger but especially cops lives. Baffoons like these are not heroes-- they are losers and aggressors. They do not deserve paintings, gold coffins and world wide adulation. They deserve scorn and ridicule and help if they want it.
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101101 • 5 hours ago
Court TV Live ran a segment 3 days ago showing the body cam footage from a George Floyd arrest the previous year. He said the same things and did the same things to the cops then too.
BTW in the 2020 footage George Floyd is clearly screaming "I can't breathe" while he's sitting in the back seat of the police car with no one touching him. This was his routine.
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Constitution First • 9 hours ago
Body cam footage recorded Floyd was already having breathing problems before being removed from his car. He was already neck deep in the dying process from a Speedball.
The same concoction that killed John Belushi
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Poetcomic1 • 8 hours ago
HE WAS SAYING "I CAN'T BREATHE" WHILE HE WAS STILL STANDING.
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Dustoff Poetcomic1 • 6 hours ago
And breathing.
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Greebo Dustoff • 5 hours ago
But the lungs were not functioning sufficiently because of the edema from the drugs he took. This made him feel desperate for more air but unable to assimilate it from his lungs regardless of his position. His heart was beating too fast and needed more oxygen to support the activity and unable to get it from his circulatory and pulmonary systems.
There was nothing the police could do except call for an ambulance (which they did) and keep him as still as possible, so he did not run up an even worse oxygen debt by running around (which they did).
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TheBucko • 4 hours ago
Who killed George Floyd? Easy....George Floyd.
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St.Hahn • an hour ago • edited
While the knee to the neck may be a technique legally in use at the time and from the training manual I would suggest appearances can deceive. It is best if police do not use techniques like this as a means of restraint. Imagine what would have been avoided. Floyd, in his obviously drugged condition was not going to run anywhere. He could hardly walk. Are these officers guilty of murder, no. They are victims of poor training and tactics that they have learned to apply in all situations indiscriminately. I saw no reason for a knee to be applied to his neck in this instance.
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LostHearts • 2 hours ago
Just my opinion, but I think the passenger in Floyd's car was warning him that cops were approaching while Floyd kept his back to the window. Then he pretended to act so surprised when they showed up. He's claustrophobic but had no problem driving a small car he could barely fit in. Passenger trying to distract police. When the car door was opened Floyd put his right arm down in a very suspicious manner--could have been reaching for a gun or who knows what else. Either way, would you take a chance as to what he was doing?
They gave him every chance to cooperate yet he chose not to. It's very simple: just do what the cops tell you to.
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Distressed Irene LostHearts • an hour ago
Rudy Giuliani has said in polite ways that the blacks are the worst for resisting arrest. He calls it "people disrepecting the police."
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Troll Hunter LostHearts • 2 hours ago • edited
Except we also get murdered by the pigs for doing exactly what they say...
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Distressed Irene Troll Hunter • 44 minutes ago
You're white pretending to be black and gay and you are totally full of bull---.
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Troll Hunter Distressed Irene • 43 minutes ago
Lol, no, princess.
Remember what Jesus said about being offended! "Turn the other cheek!"
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carpe diem 36 • 6 hours ago
I do not really care who killed him, but from what I have read he killed himself by being a drug addict.
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Troll Hunter carpe diem 36 • 6 hours ago
No, he was literally murdered by cops kneeling on his neck for nine minutes...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
Evidence does not support your claim. At no time was Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck for more than five seconds at a time. He performed the approved protocol for subduing and keeping a suspected overdoes victim from harming himself or others. He violently resisted arrest and showed signs of excited delirium prompting the police to send an ambulance.. Floyd George killed himself by ingesting high levels of fentanyl that were over three times higher than the maximum PPM generally considered lethal. get your facts straight..
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junkyard_infidel CosmotKat • 5 hours ago
Don't waste your time with the troll humper! It's nothing but a pathetic, petulant little child sitting at mommy's computer typing ignorant nonsense and trying to be a provocateur.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
Lol, no, watch the VIDEO where he is on his neck for nine minutes...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 5 hours ago
Never was, look again and this time open your eyes. At no time was pressure constant and this was an approved method followed exactly as written. The first autopsy did not rule homicide, they ruled death by overdose.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 5 hours ago
The video is ten minutes long.
Go through it and point out the minute:second marks where he released pressure.
Take your time, Soros has me here all day today...
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Troll Hunter Troll Hunter • 2 hours ago
Been three hours now, Kat.
What's the delay?
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 5 hours ago
So, you are servicing the Nazi collaborator, not surprised. I've gone through the video many times perhaps it's time you did. All protocols followed to the T.
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BostonLiberty Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago • edited
Read the autopsy and ME's report. Just another junkie who OD'd. Even George himself said he was 'hooping' drugs. Look it up... Not good...
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BostonLiberty Troll Hunter • 7 hours ago • edited
Read the autopsy and ME's report. Just another junkie who OD'd. Even George himself said he was 'hooping' drugs. Look it up... Not good...
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Troll Hunter BostonLiberty • 6 hours ago
Umm, no, if you had read the report, it was because of lack of O2...
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BostonLiberty Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
If you read the report it was because his lungs were 3x heavier than normal because of the toxic amount of fentanyl in his system. George Floyd killed himself. Nice try troll, you lose.
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Troll Hunter BostonLiberty • 6 hours ago
"Experts hired by George Floyd's family and the Hennepin County Medical Examiner have concluded his death was a homicide, but they differ on what caused it. The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined."
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
An expert paid for by the family is the first clue they are lying.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
An examiner on the cops' dole is the first clue he is lying...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
That's a sorry excuse. Evidence is what exonerates the police and indicts the over dose victim in his own death.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
And both of the exams ruled the death a MURDER, Cletus.
Square that peg...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
The evidence squares the peg. The ME was ordered to re-write his autopsy under political pressure to justify the murder charges brought by the hyper-partisan AG.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
Nope.
And remember, good sir, lying is unbecoming in today's society...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 5 hours ago
Then do your best to stop lying.
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 37 minutes ago
Experts hired are paid shills for the family who seeks a monetary award.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 21 minutes ago
Did you get confused by "and the Hennepin County Medical Examiner ", which was the policer examiner?
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 9 minutes ago
Not at all. Hennepin country M.E. is not part of the police, he is the examiner for all suspicious deaths Hennepin, Dakota, and Scott Counties. This is not a law enforcement position and is not exempt from political manipulation.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 7 minutes ago
What manipulation?
He's the expert FOR the cops...
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Troll Hunter BostonLiberty • 6 hours ago
Nope:
As was released earlier by the medical examiner’s office, Floyd’s cause of death is listed officially as “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression.” The medical examiner’s office had also previously deemed the manner of Floyd’s death a “homicide.”
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NAHALKIDES Troll Hunter • 3 hours ago • edited
That was before they got the toxicology report, according to the prosecutor's notes mentioned in the video. It was only then they realized Floyd had a fatal level of fentanyl in his blood.
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Troll Hunter NAHALKIDES • 3 hours ago
Lol, no, they had the toxicology report as you NEED that to do an autopsy...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
“cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression.”
That was added when the State AG ordered a rewrite of the official autopsy to comport with his charges of murder II. The evidence does not support the re-write.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
The State AG didn't "order" any rewrite, liar...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
I live here, I know exactly what Islamist AG, Keith Ellison demanded. It's called kangaroo court justice by the intellectually honest and social justice by Democrats.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
No, you don't, liar, otherwise you would have linked to his "ordering a rewrite" lie...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 5 hours ago
I already have linked it.
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 5 hours ago
"The charge against Derek Chauvin has been elevated to second-degree murder, court documents show.
The other three officers, previously uncharged, face counts of aiding and abetting murder.
Announcing the new charges, Minnesota's Attorney General Keith Ellison said that they were in the interests of justice."
Source-Minneapolis Star and Tribune.
The original charges were elevated after Ellison stepped in, took charge and had the ME report revised and the charges elevated to coincide. This is called stitching up the defendants with politically motivated accusations.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 4 hours ago
Lol, no, child, once the autopsy showed it was MURDER, he brought charges...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 4 hours ago
No, it was re-written for a politically approved outcome. George Floyd was a black criminal who killed himself with a drug over dose, the rest is simply politics for Minneapolis to justify allowing fascist Nazi's to destroy part of the city.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 4 hours ago
Nope, the police examiner said it was murder by cop.
You lose!
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 34 minutes ago
He said nothing of the sort, he was mandated by local authorities to attribute the death to police handling. The evidence does not support the conclusion and Attorney Earl Grey will exploit the evidence when compared to the M.E.'s report and conclusions which are inconsistent and considered manipulated by political pressure. I do not win or lose I present the facts something you are unable to do.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 20 minutes ago
Umm, the cop examiner literally said it was murder, per the evidence.
Embrace facts and evidence, my friend...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago • edited
Evidence says otherwise. the autoposy was revised from the preliminary report to coincide with the new and elevated murder charges. these guys walk and they should. Floyd was a drug addicted criminal who killed himself with fentanyl and people like you make him a hero. Sad and pathetic.
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
Untrue. There is no claim of asphyxiation. The initial report was ordered re-written (by the hyper-partisan Islamist AG) to suggest the police aided his death, but the courts will decide based on evidence and the evidence exonerates the police. Only a kangaroo court or what is known as social justice can change this fact or the evidence.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
The police report said not asphyxiation, but the second one did.
BOTH autopsies ruled it was HOMICIDE, and that's why the cops were fired then arrested...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 6 hours ago
Yes, under State AG pressure. The evidence is what exonerates the police and indicts the over dose victim.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 6 hours ago
No pressure from AG to do anything about the exam...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 5 hours ago
Given the elevation of charges after the initial ME report was re-written is the evidence. Defense will pick this case apart and the decent policemen will be exonerated and the black criminal thug will be forever known as the man who over dosed on fentanyl.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 4 hours ago
It was never rewritten, liar...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 4 hours ago
I note you cannot refute the truth. Cops walk and Floyd will be remembered as a black thug who died of a drug over dose.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 4 hours ago
Bruh', you have shown us ZERO proof it was "rewritten".
Try using facts and evidence next time!
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 2 hours ago
Proof is in the Star Tribs reports and the inconsistencies of the M.E.s report. The hands of Ellison are all over this yet. The suppression of the video evidence and full toxicology report paints a much different picture putting the death squarely on Floyd George.
“None of these guys — even Chauvin — actually killed him," said the attorney, Earl Gray. "He killed himself."
Free to speak publicly since a judge lifted a gag order on all parties in the case late last month, Gray said he plans to argue that Floyd died from an overdose of the powerful opioid fentanyl and an underlying heart condition.
"We are going to show that my client and the other cops were doing their jobs," he said.
The veteran criminal defense attorney said he will base his case on toxicology and autopsy reports as well as recently released police body camera footage that offers a fuller picture than the cellphone videos taken by people on the street."
-Star/Tribune
Earl Grey is a prominent local attorney for the defense who does not lose cases. You are mythologizing a black criminal thug who committed a crime resisted arrest and ingested lethal quantities of drugs. Those are the facts.
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St.Hahn Troll Hunter• 3 hours ago
He was so intoxicated and uncoordinated that he could hardly walk why was the knee restraint to the neck necessary in this case? He was not murdered but it sure looked like it. Was he going to die in 10 minutes or 60 minutes without the actions of the police? I believe they precipitated his death.
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Troll Hunter St.Hahn • 3 hours ago
He was waking just fine until they kneeled on his neck, and it WAS murder as the police examiner proved it was.
You notice the police department fired all four of the murdering pigs before they were arrested, right?
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St.Hahn Troll Hunter • 3 hours ago
I am not sure how the law treats this. If a person has a fatal dose of fentanyl but has not yet died and the police using legal restraining methods precipitate his death are they guilty of murder? That is a question for the jury. Only one officer had his knee on the neck. Why charge all of them with murder? None of the officers are medial professionals they made mistakes but are they guilty of the murder of a drug user with a fatal dose? I don't think so.
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Troll Hunter St.Hahn • 3 hours ago
They are charged as accomplices, just like the getaway drivers in robberies are.
Also, his dose wan't fatal, as he was alive and going about his business...
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St.Hahn Troll Hunter • 2 hours ago
By all medical accounts the level of drug he had in his blood was a fatal dose. It was just a matter of time but we are not medical experts. If rushed to the ER and given treatment he might have been saved. I don't know.
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Troll Hunter St.Hahn • 2 hours ago
Even if it was a fatal dose, the experts concluded he died by murder, so the point is moot.
If you shoot a person with AIDS, you still get charged with the crime, even though they were going to die shortly...
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I believe it was Soros and his Compadres. Why? To create havoc, chaos and animosity all across the US before the elections, cause the POS don’t want Trump, the best President whom is actually working for the People!!!
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Hmmmm...
Somehow the video has been removed from the article and all I am getting is a "503 error" message.
Odd.
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CosmotKat • 7 hours ago
Not according to the autoposy and the evidence. He killed himself.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat• 7 hours ago
Nope, autopsy and evidence said the cop did it...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 7 hours ago
Yes, the AG that ordered re-write states as such, but the evidence, the real evidence says no. Even the video evidence, the so-called 9 minute video is not evidence since you fail to note Chauvin's knee never remained on his neck applying pressure for more than five seconds, press, release, press, release. He performed the approved method for restraining an overdose victim suffering from excited delirium.
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CosmotKat Guest • 7 hours ago
Yes, he did. Watch his knee bob up and down every 3-5 seconds, no constant pressure. The black thug killed himself on drugs. What a hero!
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CosmotKat Guest • 7 hours ago
A politically motivated outcome will be picked apart by the defense using evidence and facts. The police involveds will be exonerated.
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Troll Hunter CosmotKat • 7 hours ago
They will fry.
Better would be to change police policies and get rid of qualified immunity...
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CosmotKat Troll Hunter • 7 hours ago
Can't deal with the truth can you?
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Troll Hunter
Both exams ruled his death a MURDER, yet white republicans still think it wasn't, lol...
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Mic • 7 hours ago
White Republicans .... ? Is that all you've got ? How pathetic
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Troll Hunter Mic• 7 hours ago
Umm, it's true.
Look at all the fact deniers below- all white republicans...
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NAHALKIDES Troll Hunter • 4 hours ago
Fact: George Floyd had a lethal level of fentanyl in his blood. That was in the video, but then, you probably didn't bother to watch it. That alone is enough to acquit on the murder charge.
Stop wasting our time, troll.
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Troll Hunter NAHALKIDES • 4 hours ago
Sorry, I read both autopsy reports.
He didn't have a lethal dose of anything except knee on neck, and BOTH examiners said it was MURDER that killed him...
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NAHALKIDES Troll Hunter • 3 hours ago
The two autopsy reports were done before the fatal level of fentanyl was revealed. Why? That's an excellent question; apparently your side has a lot to hide.
"The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd
died of asphyxiation," Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew
Baker told the prosecutor's office, according to the May 26 memo. The autopsy was incomplete, it said, pending a toxicology report."
Checkmate.
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Troll Hunter NAHALKIDES • 3 hours ago
Here is the police autopsy report:
https://www.hennepin.us/-/m...
Second page, number VI:
"Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)
A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive"
You were saying?
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